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      CommentAuthorpht
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     
    Hi - is it possible to use a reference manager like Sente with Ulysses 2.0? Or are there any ideas how to manage a lot of sources in footnotes best?

    thx
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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     
    Yes it is. But there is of course no automagic connections between the two; you'll have to insert references by copy-paste and then scan the exported document.
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     

    Well, the Ulysses way of doing footnotes is either directly in the text or from the notes. Basically what you do is to write something like {{person2009}} in the text where you want to see the reference and then in the notes you write {{person2009-This is the footnote}}. During export you can then either have them exported to LaTeX, rtf or pdf. And in most cases you can also see them as endnotes or footnotes.

    Though I believe this is a nice way, I can understand that it may become messy with massive amounts of footnotes. I have a idea on how to solve this and just submitted it for review to our bug tracker.

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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     
    Yeah, that's neat, but I think pht wanted to use a reference manager with Ulysses (such as Endnote, Bookends or Sente). You typically use these programs to store all your references, but also to insert and format your citations + build a list of references. It will take care of the tedious formatting of reference lists that all journals require you to format a little differently.

    Like I say, it is quite possible to use these programs with Ulysses (I have done it quite a bit). You just paste a reference into the editor and it will create a temporary citation that could look something like {Author, 2002, #1449}. When done, you export to word or rtf and scan that document with your reference manager to format citations and build the reference list.

    Some word processors, such as Word, have plug-ins that allow the reference manager to do much of this with more automation. But I really doubt if this would make sense for Ulysses, as it separates input and output so strongly anyway. And again, it works just fine as it is. Actually, I typically turn most of those automatic features off anyway in Word; they are mostly just annoying in my mind.
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      CommentAuthorfannar
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2009
     
    It would be nice feature for Ulysses to try working better with references/bibliography. Can't Sante export to BibTeX? Then you would export from Ulysses to LaTeX and then edit that file a little to use BibTeX with it (see http://www.bibtex.org/Using/).
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     

    We'll definitely have a look into that.

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      CommentAuthorgesp
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     
    I would love to be able to use Ulysses as my main source for research and to export to Latex, to be able to use Bibtex...
    I beleive there is a growing interest in Latex-bibtex in the academic, medical and scientific fields

    Ulysses could be the missing link between creative writing and fast preview of the Latex output in PDF
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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     
    Write -> Insert citation from BiBTeX -> export to LaTeX -> Build PDF with formatted citations and reference list

    Doesn't this already work?

    What functionality is it that you feel is missing?
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      CommentAuthormuuksi
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     
    first of all, i like writing with ulysses, but:

    i am also in need for a reference manager connection. cause writing scientific papers (oh by the way, a connection to the app "papers" would also be a blast) needs a lot of trouble with reference managing.

    but, i would first love to see a in-between way of using the notes conecting-to-text feature but footnotes don't work for me.
    i don't use footnotes a lot, sometimes, inserting pictures is great but there is a need for a third tag for a reference...!!!
    i need the third tag, cause, when using the "notes-to-tags" during export, i can't use the good feature placing the note (my reference) at the end of the file, while using the picture inline inserting.
    so it would be cool to use a third "tag" for notes which is used for placing those notes at the end of the whole file and replacing the tag in the document with its content:
    like i am using {{(Person, 2009)}} in the text and it will be placed on the end with its related notes content while in the text then is only: (Person, 2009)
    Is my writing too messy? i hope not.
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     

    Just to make sure I understand you right: you basically want a separate tag for footnotes and endnotes (which are here used as references), right? I think this will be possible.

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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2009
     
    Hmm. I still don't understand what you need that isn't already there...
    I have written several scientific papers with Ulysses, using Bookends as my reference manager. It worked very nicely. I didn't use LaTeX, but exported to Word and scanned that file with Bookends. After export, I did the final editing in Word (or Pages).

    Can't really see why this wouldn't work with the LaTeX exporter?
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      CommentAuthorChris
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2009
     
    It works perfectly, even with natbib (\citet , \citep) commands if you like. you just need to know some latex.
    you can even just insert the bibtex key from your ref manager. you just need your .bib file in the folder where you latex your .tex file.
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      CommentAuthorsmolk
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
     
    Meanwhile, I'm intrigued by Max' comments "that it may become messy with massive amounts of footnotes. I have a idea on how to solve this and just submitted it for review to our bug tracker." This is the biggest inconvenience for me—one I gladly suffer because of all the advantages within Ulysses—so any solution arouses my interest! I tend to use footnotes intensively.

    Just in passing, I do use BibDesk, but since there is no suitable bib-style available for me, and I haven't seen round to creating one myself, I basically just copy & paste. I tested it with other styles and BibTeX, and it does work, but not in the style I need.
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      CommentAuthoradrian
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2011
     
    Hello Niklas, hello all,
    I also have Bookends but my wordprocessor is Nisus Writer Pro 2. I presume I have to export from Ulysses in RTF format to Nisus and use Bookends scanning in Nisus. Is that correct?
    The nice thing is that Nisus and Bookends are quite well integrated. What would be the best way not to loose this integration when adding Ulysses to the mix?
    Anybody out there with recent experience with Ulysses + Nisus + Bookends?
    Many thanks for any tips and hints
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      CommentAuthorjb
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2011
     
    "Anybody out there with recent experience with Ulysses + Nisus + Bookends?"

    This is just the combo I use.
    Works fine in the way you guess: Put temp. citations into Ulysses doc; Export as rtf to Nisus and then scan with Bookends. Give it a whirl and you'll see ;-)

    Just one (temporary, I assume) caveat: at the moment Nisus 2.0 has some trouble with Bookends unscan function.
    See here: http://nisus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4333
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      CommentAuthormaxheld
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2011
     
    So I'm still confused about what Ulysses can do in terms of references, particular when exporting to ePub.

    I would like to use in-text citations (Author 1990), and then have a bibliography at the end of the book. My bibliographic data are in a bibtex file.

    I know how to do this in LaTeX, via Ulysses: I just put the bibtex commands in (\citep{key}) etc., define them as tags, leave them untouched, done. LaTeX then typesets the intent citations as I want them to (year, author, parentheses etc.), adds a bibliography at the end, and (this is great) hyperlinks the in-text citations to their respective entries in the bibliography.

    How can I achieve this in Ulysses for ePub export?

    I'm now doing this via {{key}} and {{key-reference text}} in the note.

    My problems are:
    - it seems the reference has to be in the respective note, not in a project wide note. That's very inconvenient for hundreds of references. I have to duplicate many references.
    - the key becomes the actual output in the ePub export, styled as [Smith1776]. That's ugly. Can I change or customize that?

    So it seems Ulysses (or maybe ePub?) isn't really made for semantically formatted, linked, automated references. Am I getting that right, or just too stupid to figure out how to do this?

    If that is a Ulysses limitation (which would be a severe limitation to use it for academic writing), are there any suggestions of how to work around this for a good ePub result?

    Thanks so much!
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      CommentAuthorgoetz
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2011
     

    Currently, the ePub Exporter is quite limited in exporting references for scientific publishing. However, this was never the real focus. It seems that you have some specific ideas regarding academic writing using ePub in mind, so why don't you contact us directly at support@the-soulmen.com and maybe we can help you in your specific case.