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      CommentAuthoreb4i
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2010
     
    Does Ulysses 2 have an annotation feature? I often wish to select a proportion of text and annotate it with a note, saying this is what I mean or need to do here later. Is this possible?

    Thanks,
    .i
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2010
     

    Actually, we do not yet have text annotations and I am not too sure weber we will include them in a future version. However, what you can use is several things: For just marking a position in the text, you can always use bookmarks. To write some annotation inthe text, you might also try to use either a paragraph or a dedicated inline style which can then be searched for and easily deleted during export.

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      CommentAuthormadox
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2010 edited
     
    What i have done is to make a tag for that.
    If its a word, phrase, name or whatever that i need to check out i use that tag.
    Just make a new tag, make it italic and add a nice light blue color to it and make youre comment on the stuff you want..
    etc../check the consept of tags and start making some to get the text floating/
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      CommentAuthoreb4i
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2010
     
    Thanks for providing these text annotation approaches. I will test them. My hope was for an approach that would display a small coloured indicator next to the text, similar to your bookmarks, but hide the comment until in review mode or mouse-over.
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      CommentAuthorbashosfrog
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2010
     
    I'd like something similar - the ability to hit a shortcut key and have it jump me to the next available slot in the Notes window, where I can enter a note, and then toggle back to my position in the text. If I highlight some words, I'd like those words automatically entered in the notes slot. And then have some indicator, like the bookmarks indicator, in both the text and the note window that toggles me between text and note when I'm reviewing.

    I take the point about tags, but an inline note interrupts the scan of the writing.
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      CommentAuthormadox
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2010 edited
     
    @Bashosfrog

    That accually sounds kind of cool. Some sort of voodoopad/wiki approach..write a word, mark it and click "note" and you are taken to the notes pane with the word you marked ready to do some notes on it..word in the editor is left marked, click on it and see the note about it. I see that one..
    edit: I always used my comment tag for this purpose, bookmarks i have never used, so this might already be possible with the use of bookmarks, i wouldnt know..
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2010
     

    This will be a VERY big change in Ulysses. We have this on our list like forever (okay - or when we first sipped it seven years ago, which feels like forever). There is a lot of conceptual stuff that needs to be worked out for this to work. We will give this a bump on our priority list. But given the complexity (like think of the things you might USE such a link for and implement that as well) I'm sure this is rather a 2.5 or 3.0 feature kinda thing. As we're planning several other things to do with the notes, this might actually become a quite interesting makeover.

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      CommentAuthorbashosfrog
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2010
     
    I like interesting makeovers.

    I think the idea of semantic text editing is that you keep typing, without distractions. Currently, making a note forms a definite interruption to the writing flow. I'm suggesting that note-making be as fluid as semantic text editing, but that notes still exist in a separate window.

    (I don't use semantic text editing, I must admit. All I want is straight text in a good writing environment, and Ulysses is that environment.)
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2010
     

    Well, what you could do already is to use the shortcuts to navigate between the editor and the notes pad, as well as the shortcut to create a new note.

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      CommentAuthoreb4i
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2010
     
    I use Ulysses as bashosfrog does, good writing environment, and an annotate and continue typing is what I need. The annotation would display in a bubble on hover for me, as that's when I'm in review mode.
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      CommentAuthormadox
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2010
     
    I realy woudnt like bubbles, flashes and other gui porn in the already polished and clean U interface..Reason i choose U was for its cleanness and no interference design, after all, its for making text and adding meaning to the text and to work uninterupted with it in a organized way..not for powepoint presentations..
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      CommentAuthorMaggot
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2010
     
    What happens if you delete some text, and there's an annotation in there, and you don't notice? Presumably you delete the annotation as well? This is the problem with footnotes in programmes like Mellel and Word... that might not be what you want at all.
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2010
     

    Think what would be the best is to have a annotations-notes link that resides in the counting column just like the bookmarks. In-line annotations that require clicks and stuff might not be too optimal. But we'll have to think. Don't expect it for 2.1.

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      CommentAuthorMaggot
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2010
     
    A minor problem with using tags as annotation markers is that they upset the word count. Usually, this isn't critical, but it may be for journos. Would there be any way of having the option to optionally exclude anything marked a particular way from the word count?

    Another idea: would those that want full annotations like if text within a particular tag could be made invisible, just left with a mark in the number bar?

    Robert
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2010
     

    Thinking about Xcode code folding bubbles right now. If you don't know what this is, don't bother. Just thinking...

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      CommentAuthoreb4i
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2010
     
    Good to read the interest in annotation.

    Maggot, I wouldn't want the annotation deleted if the text was removed, so if they resided in a referenced note would work. A coloured mark in the number bar is a good idea to identify their location.

    .i
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      CommentAuthorMaggot
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2010
     
    Yes, I hadn't thought of that. That would be better than the footnote system in say Mellel, for that reason.

    There seems to be three schools of thought here. First, a new type of booknote that allows you to add comments and notes. Problem - those notes are lost if you delete the text they're tied to.

    Second, EB4I's referenced note. Lives in the notes pane, but somehow is tied to a location in the text and marked in the bar (but what if the bar isn't showing?). I suppose any normal note could be turned into a referenced note at any time, and of course visa versa. Maybe even the same note could be tied to more than one location! (Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Redlers).

    Third, inline text that perhaps could be folded up (which I think was what Max was getting at). Problem - still possible to delete accidentally, but not as easy as in 1)

    Problem with 1) and 2): what happens if you move the line? Does the note move with it, or stay with the paragragh? Half the line? All the line but one word? (Of course, this problem already exists with Bookmarks, but it's not so important there, since they have no content.)

    Well, whatever - I absolutely trust Max and all to find a solution that I initially hate and eventually come to love and realise is brilliant and elegant.

    Robert