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    (Apologies to non-German readers - I don't have time to translate this post into English. Just run it through Google Translation to get the general idea. It's about online activation for Ulysses 1.x, the possible shutdown of the activation servers in the future and data security.)


    Gratulation zum Neustart und zur 2. Version. Die wichtigste Neuerung für mich: Ihr habt euch also endlich entschieden, den Zwang zur Online-Aktivierung abzuschaffen. Vor zwei Jahren war dieser Zwang für mich der Hauptgrund, Ulysses auszurangieren und zu Scrivener zu wechseln. Ich hab irgendwo im alten Forum beschrieben, wie mir eure Piratenparanoia damals fast eine Deadline für ein Riesenprojekt vermasselt hat. (In Kürze: Festplattencrash, Ersatzcomputer ohne Internetanschluss, Projekt nicht mehr editier- und exportierbar, 100-Euro-Lizenz wertlos, Tage mit Copy and Paste und manueller Übersetzung der Fußnoten- und Headline-Markups in Word verbracht. Eure Antwort damals auf meine Kein-Internet-Misere: Da hätte sich sicher per _E-Mail_ was regeln lassen ... )

    Nun die nächste Frage: Nachdem ihr zur Besinnung gekommen seid, was wird mit Kunden, die noch Projekte im Ulysses 1.x-Format haben? Wenn Ulysses 2.0 keine Aktivierung mehr braucht, werdet ihr ja wohl irgendwann die Aktivierungsserver abschalten. Aber wann? Nächstes Jahr, in fünf Jahren? Und wie komme ich nächstes Jahr oder in fünf Jahren an meine Daten, wenn ich U. 1.6 auf einem neuen Computer installiere? Besteht jetzt der Zwang zum Upgrade? Oder werdet ihr eine aktivierungsfreie Version 1.6 zur Verfügung stellen?

    Mein Problem: ich sehe keine Rechtfertigung für ein Upgrade außer dem Umstand, dass meine alten Projektdateien dadurch sozusagen von der Geiselnahme durch eure Aktivierungsmechanik befreit werden. Der Upgrade-Preis ist sicher nicht unfair für die Arbeit, die ihr euch gemacht habt, aber ich müsste ihn als Freilösegebühr zahlen, nur um von euren Servern unabhängig zu sein. Und das will ich aus Prinzip nicht tun.

    Ulysses war das erste und das letzte Programm mit Aktivierungszwang, das ich mir gekauft habe. Die Erfahrung war ein Desaster. Es zeigt exemplarisch, dass solche Diebstahls-Sicherungen immer nur die ehrlichen Kunden treffen. Würde mich interessieren, wie ihr jetzt retrospektiv mit diesem Problem umgehen wollt. Dass ihr den Aktivierungszwang in der neuen Version endlich abschafft, ist zu begrüßen. Nur schafft es leider das Problem der alten Version nicht aus der Welt, sondern macht es - Stichwort Server-Abschaltung - nur noch dringlicher ...
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      CommentAuthorAmberV
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2009
     
    My own apologies for responding in English. Would the solution to this be providing a patch to the 1.6 line which removes the server based registration?
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      CommentAuthorsmolk
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
     
    Have you never come online since?
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      CommentAuthorAmberV
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
     
    I've got a connexion in my home again; but I'm all upgraded to 2.0 on all of my machines anyway; so I'm speaking more for the folks who cannot upgrade for whatever reason.
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      CommentAuthordirk
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2009
     
    Wir werden uns auf jeden Fall etwas einfallen lassen, was in ein paar Jahren mit 1.6-Projekten und der Onlineaktivierung der Version 1.6 geschieht. Eine Version ohne Onlineaktivierung wäre eine Möglichkeit. Ich denke, dass Max sicher etwas dazu sagen wird, sobald er aus seinem wohlverdienten Urlaub zurück ist.

    We will definitely think about the problem of online activation of Ulysses 1.6 for the future. A patch that removes the online activation could be a possibility. I think Max can tell you more about this as soon as he's back from vacation.
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    >> We will definitely think about the problem of online activation of Ulysses 1.6 for the future. A patch that removes the online activation could be a possibility. <<

    Yes, I think that would be the optimal solution. Thanks. I'm looking forward to Max' response.

    @ smolk: If your question was directed at me, the problem I posted about has nothing to do with being online or offline (but you knew that because I posted on The Internet, right?).
    The problem is that Ulysses 1.x users would be forced to upgrade just to get rid of the dependency on the Blue-Tec/Soulmen activation servers. As you probably know, Ulysses 1.x doesn't even save or export projects if the program is not activated over the internet. Even if you have a license, the program will become useless once the servers shut down - which will happen sooner or later because Ulysses 2.0 finally uses a normal (as in: "sane", "customer-friendly") licensing mechanism.
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      CommentAuthorsmolk
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2009
     
    Oops, I should have realised that your post meant you were online - honestly forgot about that. I did see the problem, but wondered whether it was an actual problem for you or just a matter of principle. But I underestimated the problem as your last explanation points out, so please forget about my reply
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      CommentAuthormax
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2009
     

    We are planning to bring a free upgrade to the 1.6 line that removed the necessity to go online. For now and at least for another year, the activation server will stay the same way it is right now. Removing the online-activation would require us to either remove the activation at all or to transfer it into a offline one. Right now I am absolutely not sure which is the way to go. Maybe a free version it too early in one or two years...

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    (Sorry for the belated reply - got distracted by work and holidays.)

    I agree with you that it's too early to release a free version of U 1.6. After all, it's not _that_ different from 2.0, and you would risk losing sales.

    But you could, for instance, build a version of U 1.6 that can be registered offline (with the serial number people already have or a new one that would be handed out on request) and then post a note on your website that says something like "If want this version, email us your registration details for U 1.x and we send you a download link."

    Replacing the online activation code in U 1.x with an offline registration mechanism will require a bit of time and effort, and it will only benefit people like me who are, for one reason or another, not willing to upgrade to U 2.0. So what's your incentive? Well, you could shut down your activation server immediately and stop worrying about managing this whole online registration database stuff. The alternative would be to keep this server running for years. (How many years? That's an interesting question, not least from a legal point. Nowhere in the contract that customers agreed to by purchasing U 1.x is it mentioned that the licence is time-limited. In other words, you would have to keep your activation server for U 1.x running as long as you're in business.)

    Either way, this obsolete version of Ulysses will require your attention beyond the release of version 2.0. If you re-release U 1.6 with an offline reg mechanism, it will be a one-time effort, and the problem will be solved for good. If you don't, you will have to maintain the whole online activation structure for as long as you and users of U 1.x are around. So I think it's in everyone's best interest to have an offline version of U 1.6 as soon as possible.
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      CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009
     
    Yes, Hugh, that's basically what Max wrote as well. Three options:

    • keep server running for years.
    • make 1.6 free at some point.
    • introduce offline registration for 1.6 buyers.

    Nothing really to complain about with either of these options from the customers' point of view. And no legal worries either. Or did I miss something here?

    Anyway, go get 2.0, folks ;-) It's worth it.