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Ulysses 2.0: Oddball Format Requirements

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      CommentAuthorStone
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2011
     
    Some poetry I write has two requirements I'm not sure how to replicate in a semantic sense with Ulysses.

    The first requirement is a note appended to the title. I don't think Ulysses allows for this, which forces me to include the title in the text of the document. So please consider this a feature request. :)

    The second requirement is for the title to be centered over the text, not the page. Again, this is pretty simple to make happen, but only by typing the title into the text and using spaces to place it. The only other thing I can think of is to move the right margin to the edge of the text, which would work, but any changes to the text would require fiddling with the margin.

    Any suggestions?
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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2011
     
    Well, this response may not be very helpful, but I am not sure I understand what your problem is... So I have to ask.

    First, why don't you want to include the title in the text (I presume you mean the editor)? I do this all the time, and mark it as a heading. Never thought of it as a problem...

    Second, why do you need to center the heading over the text in the editor? That seems to defy the purpose of semantic editing. I mean, there should be lots of ways of doing this during export, which is where it matters, no? Fiddling with margins and spacing is for output (export), and the way I see it the point of semantic editing is to free you from those aspects while actually writing.

    Now, I can see why one would like to see the layout of a poem as intended during writing, but in such cases I wonder if semantic editing is really the solution.
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      CommentAuthorStone
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2011
     
    Thanks for your response.

    Re: Title in editor

    I find having the title in the editor distracting and it also adds 1 to all my line numbers. I want "line 1" to be the first line of the poem, not the title. Not a huge deal, but that's my preference.

    Re: Center heading over text

    That's what I'm looking for: a way to do it during export. It's easy to center it over the page, but I have no idea how to center it over the text of the poem, except doing it manually after exporting to (say) a Word doc.

    It's not that I want the title centered over the text in the editor, it's just I don't know any better way to get the output I want through the exporter.
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      CommentAuthorniklas
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2011
     
    Ah OK, I see.

    How would you do this in the word processor? I must admit that I have never tried to center a heading over the text, but I guess if the steps aren't too complicated, there should be a way to mimic them through the exporter. How about making the margins very big (in the exporter), so that they fit precisely the text of the poem? Shouldn't centering on the page then basically be the same as centering over the text?
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      CommentAuthorStone
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2011
     
    Well, I've tried setting the margins. To make it work in PDF export I had to do the following:

    1. Export to doc (or other editable format with margins).
    2. Determine margins.
    3. Export to PDF with those margins.

    Not exactly fun, but it beats export, check, adjust, export, check, adjust *ad naseum*.

    It works; however, even though it is technically centered, it *looks* shifted to the right. I think it is because of the variable line-length of the poem.

    So, what I've found works best is to add a "tail indent" to the title. Then repeat steps 1-3 above to find the correct value for the tail indent. It allows for positioning of the title without the longer lines of the poem being wrapped.

    I'd like to see an option of "right margin equal to the longest line of text" in Ulysses. If that was added, setting that margin plus a tail indent of (say) 0.12" would probably let me do this automatically and have it be good enough in most cases.
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      CommentAuthorfehnman
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2011
     

    Not sure I understand, either, but I'll try. :)

    We have options for the "first line" of any document during export. It's essentially a "special paragraph", if you so wish. You can also set the alignment of every part you export -- main text, title, first line and so on; just every paragraph style can have a different alignment, so you can have the first line be bold and centered etc.

    However, there is no way to determine the "longest line" and have the page margins automatically adopt to that. If that's what you're after, you should export the "first line" centered, then go to word and adjust the page margins to your liking.

    Does this help in any way, do I even make sense? :)

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      CommentAuthorStone
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2011
     
    Yes, that's pretty much how I figured it would have to be. I was hoping for something a bit more automatic. I think if I did web export, I could set something up in javascript to position it, but for Word, etc. it looks like it has to be done manually. Thanks for the response.

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