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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2012 edited
     
    Dear Soulmen,

    I've downloaded the Trial version some days ago because I don't want to keep switching between M$ Word and my LaTeX editor all the time. And Ulysses could be the missing link. But I've encountered a problem which might be solved with your help:

    I can use the tag "{{-footnote text}}" for my inline footnotes when I want to export the document as .rtf or .pdf and "++-footnote text++ or LaTeX's standard tag "\footnote{footnote text}" when I want to export it as a .tex file. What I really need is one inline tag that works for all my possible exports. I know that it's not possible for .doc files (I can use rtfs here). But if I have to change the footnote tags for each export again I won't need Ulysses at all, it's what I'm doing all the time right now!. Where and how can I edit these tags?

    Thx.
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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2012 edited
     
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      CommentAuthorgoetz
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2012 edited
     

    Unfortunately, the PDF/RTF exporters work differently than the LaTeX exporter in terms of exporting footnotes.
    You can set the tags for the footnote tags for PDF/RTF in the exporters in the section "Notes" by double-clicking the cell in the columns Start Tag/Stop Tag. However, for inline footnotes, you always need a "-" at the start of a footnote (otherwise, the export thinks it's a connection to a note and searches the notes for an identifier with the same string as in the footnote).
    For LaTeX, you don't need the "-" at the beginning of a footnote, since the text inside the tags is just enclosed in \footnote{...}.
    If you set the start and stop tags of the footnotes in the PDF/RTF exporters to the same as the inline style tags for footnotes in LaTeX, you should be able to export footnotes in the same way for LaTeX and RTF. The only problem that remains is that you will have the "-" at the beginning of each LaTeX footnote, so you'd need to search&replace them in the exported LaTeX files or run a script over the files.
    Ulysses 3 will unify all these styles and should make it much easier to export footnotes in a simple fashion.

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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2012
     
    Thanks for your reply, Goetz, although it's bad news for me. Maybe I got the concept of Ulysses wrong („One plain text – every export one might need“ without any extra formatting). I hoped it would supersede editing a text when a switch between LaTeX- and M$ Word/RTF-files is inevitable (for example when a publisher demands your texts as .doc ). Apparently Ulysses doesn't really do this.

    But however: What you've written about Ulysses 3 sounds amazing!
    Is there any chance that the new version will be available in the near future?
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      CommentAuthorgoetz
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2012 edited
     

    Actually, I just noticed something: if you write the footnotes in the notes, you can export your footnotes in the same way for both LaTeX and PDF/RTF.
    Let me explain: currently, you use inline footnotes, i.e., you write the footnote in directly inside the inline style (e.g. {{-This is a footnote}}). You can also write footnote in the notes and link them to the text in the editor. For instance, you could create a note and type {{footnote1-This is a footnote.}} and type {{footnote1}} at the position in the editor where you want this footnote to be inserted. Thus, you link the footnote identifier in the text (footnote1) to the content of the footnote, which is inside the note. This strategy works for both LaTeX and PDF/RTF.
    This approach is also explained in detail in the screencast on exporting (after 10:43 min) and in the Ulysses help (the screencast was made using Ulysses 1.6, but the approach is identical).
    So basically you would need to convert your inline footnotes into footnotes linked to the notes, but then export to both PDF/RTF and LaTeX should work.

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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2012
     
    Thanks Goetz! I've seen that screencast and I asked for *inline footnotes* explicitly. The approach via the notes field is useless for me, because sometimes I have to add footnotes at previous positions im my texts. A direct identification with the help of a marker (eg „FN1“) would force me to renumber the whole set of footnote markers each time I add a note subsequently. This may work when one barely uses footnotes, but for academic writing this approach is unhelpful at best. Nevertheless: Thank you for your readiness to help.

    What about Ulysses 3? Any idea of a possible release date?
    (don't worry, I won't tell anyone…)
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      CommentAuthorgoetz
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2012
     

    You don't need to number your footnote identifiers. So you can use identifiers like "intro", "SchmidtEtAl", "CommentOnQuote" or whatever you like. Even if you number you identifiers, they don't need to be in the same order.

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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2012
     
    Yeah, you're absolutely right (again). I 'll definitively try this (I fear it might not be the same workflow as adding the notes inline…). You keep ignoring that Ulysses 3 question, although YOU brought it up.
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      CommentAuthorgoetz
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     

    I wasn't replying to that questions because we don't have a release date for Ulysses 3 yet ;) Basically, all we know is written here.

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      CommentAuthorBelbo
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Haha, great. Well done.
    I can hardly wait for U3.